Morning Shows Hugged Hillary; NBC's Shipman Tough on Gore; Army General Gore Imagined by Stephanopoulos
-- Back to today's CyberAlert
1) NBC's Claire Shipman
delivered a fairly tough interview on Today with Al Gore. She tossed some
softballs but mainly stuck to pressing him about the accuracy of counting
dimples and how legitimate his win would be if based only on votes from select
counties.
2) In a fit of balance, on Tuesday morning Today hit both
Cheney and Lieberman with devil's advocate points on vote counting.
3) On Today a day earlier Jonathan Alter contended Al Gore has
a good grievance about not enough votes being counted for him.
4) Hugging Hillary. ABC's Robin Roberts wondered to Hillary:
"What was the moment like...when you knew you had won?" NBC's
Katie Couric wanted to know "What are you most looking forward to?"
in the Senate, given "the array of possibilities before you." She
also empathized: "Wasn't it hard to balance being an activist First Lady
and the responsibilities of a more traditional First Lady?"
5) Media Reality Check. "Networks Stumped: Is Al Gore
More like a Military Hero or Teen Crush? MSNBC's Banfield Is Excited by
All-Democrat Phone Fest" and ABC's Stephanopoulos imagined Gore as a
General on horseback commanding his troops.
1
Claire
Shipman came out of character on today's Today and delivered a fairly tough
interview with Al Gore. In the interview taped the night before, Shipman
pressed him repeatedly about changing the rules to count dimples and when he
might give up. She asked him to respond to the view that the "Gore
campaign has essentially cherry-picked throughout Florida finding counties
that are heavily Democratic to rack up those votes and that's not a fair
representation of the vote either."
She did toss in a couple
of softball, such as: "Tell us a little bit about this kind of
presidential limbo that you're in. What that's like. You've worked so hard
to be President and this must feel like some kind of divine torture. What
is it like everyday?" And she wondered: "How does it feel to be
called a sore loser?"
Here are all of Shipman's inquiries as taken down
by MRC analyst Geoffrey Dickens:
-- "Did you win this election?"
-- "Do you
think you should be..."
-- "Do you
think you should be President-elect right now? Do you?"
-- "You and Joe
Lieberman say count every vote. But if this is about counting every vote,
if you take the whole country there are 1.2 million of those under votes,
why not, look more broadly at those undercounted votes?"
-- "But let's
say you get a judge to allow those some 10,000 ballots to be looked at by
hand. Say you pull ahead in the, in the overall tally in Florida and
eventually and eventually, when, when certification don't you think that
much of the country would look at that and say, 'That's not a legitimate
result either because the Gore campaign has essentially cherry-picked
throughout Florida finding counties that are heavily Democratic to rack up
those votes and that's not a fair representation of the vote
either.'"
-- "Do you
think it's reasonable if a canvassing board is already looking at those
ballots and trying to determine to the best of their ability whether
dimpled chads should count or not and indeed counting some of them. Do you
think it's reasonable then to ask a judge to step in and say we think all
of those dimples should count? Isn't there any discretion allowed the
local officials there in determining what is a vote?"
-- "That's
what's so hard to determine though, a clear mark. And everybody has a very
different opinion about what's clear. A lot of states don't count dimpled
chads."
-- "Tell us a
little bit about this kind of presidential limbo that you're in. What
that's like. You've worked so hard to be President and this must feel like
some kind of divine torture. What is it like everyday?"
-- "I imagine
that you must, some nights, lie awake plagued thinking, 'What if I had
just spent one more day in Florida? What if there wasn't a butterfly
ballot? What if I had just won my home state of Tennessee? Florida
wouldn't even be an issue?"
-- "But you are
in a race against the clock down there. I mean you have got to get a lot
accomplished by what many people including the Florida Supreme Court think
are some reasonable deadlines. For example, December 12th."
-- "Have you
given any thought to what you might do if you don't ultimately win this
election?"
-- "But again
if, if, if you don't win but you feel that the process has been unfair
that you don't get the votes counted as you want, and I know that's a
hypothetical-"
-- "And I know
you don't want to answer it, but can you, can you imagine healing that
sort of, of bitterness?"
-- "Some of
your advisors say that in fact you believe that the Bush campaign and
Governor Bush are trying to steal this election."
-- "How does it
feel to be called a sore loser?"
-- "Have you
given any thought to the idea that the real victor in this contest may be
the man who walks away."
-- "Do you
think public support for what you are doing right now matters?"
-- "But then
again I still don't understand. Don't you think that if you get votes
counted in part of Florida but not other parts of Florida but not other
parts of Florida where there are also ballots that were undercounted and
sitting there, that, that will also be viewed as an illegitimate-"
-- "Is there
any comfort in knowing that whatever happens, whatever the outcome of this
is, that you had been part of something historic."
-- "So, so
you're not reveling in being part of this part of history?"
Shipman wrapped up: "And we also asked the Vice
President a question a lot of people had been wondering about. If he
doesn't prevail now would he do it all over again in 2004. He said no
comment, he wants to get the 2000 election over with first."
2
Tuesday
morning Today hit both VP candidates with devil's advocate points on
vote counting, though Katie Couric argued a bit with Dick Cheney about the
vote counting standard in Texas.
On the November 28 show Couric asked Republican Dick
Cheney about the transition and his health, but took a few minutes to
press him with the Democratic case on counting: "Let me play devil's
advocate for a moment. The Democrats say how can we explain to
schoolchildren that every vote counts if we don't count every vote. What
is the harm in taking, Mr. Secretary, those 10,700 votes in Miami-Dade
County that the machine didn't register and looking at them by hand to see
if in fact someone voted? What's, what's the harm?"
Couric followed up, as transcribed by MRC analyst
Geoffrey Dickens: "But with, with such a close margin of victory, 500
plus votes, why not give an opportunity and you said they've been counted
by machine but these votes have never been looked at by hand. These 10,700
votes with a 500 plus vote margin and 10,700 votes even Governor Bush
supported a law in Texas that said manual recounts were a good idea."
Cheney answered:
"There's a big difference. The law in Texas specifies standards by
which those ballots would be evaluated if in fact they were hand
counted."
Couric countered:
"Some say it's even looser standards than those being used in
Florida."
Couric later suggested: "Are you worried about
legitimacy Secretary Cheney? You know many people have said, whoever wins,
there will be, it will be questionable. Does that concern you?"
During the 8am half hour Matt Lauer talked to Joe
Lieberman and asked him to respond to Cheney: "Dick Cheney was on the
program talking to Katie in the first half hour and he said the process by
which you are asking the Florida courts to now overturn the certified vote
totals in that state he called them inappropriate and unfair. What's your
comment on that?"
Lauer outlined the Republican case: "Here's
what appears to bother some people Sen. Lieberman, and I know you
understand this. The Democrats keep saying, 'we want to count every vote.
We just want every vote to count.' Yet you've chosen to go back and
manually recount votes in predominately Democratic counties. And I know
the offer was made at one point to go to all the counties, but, but
basically you've been spending all your time, meaning the Democrats, in
these four heavily Democratic counties. That doesn't seem fair."
3
Before
getting too carried away with Today's flirtation with balance the last
few days, let's go back to Monday morning when Newsweek reporter
Jonathan Alter used his Today air time to argue that Al Gore has a good
grievance over how counties counted ballots.
Katie Couric asked on the November 27 broadcast::
"Jonathan, do you think the Gore camp does have some legitimate
grievances about the way this whole thing was carried through? The fact
that Miami Dade sort of stopped its recount midstream, actually before
they got to the halfway mark? The fact that the Palm Beach County manual
recount was not even included in the state's final tally?"
Alter: "I do.
There were three counties that they wanted recounted. And they only got
one, Broward, completed. If Gore were smart he might say, 'Look this is
not about dimples and pimples. It's about the kind of ballot where there
actually has been a perforation. Where somebody has tried to vote. Punched
all the way through but for whatever reason the machine didn't read it.
And there are ballots like that."
Couric: "But
the Republicans, but the Republicans will argue, 'Well hey that happens in
every election. There are a lot of Republican ballots that were not
registered by the machine. And that's just the way it goes.'"
Alter: "Well I
think the Gore people's response to that will be, 'We called for a
statewide hand count. The Republicans didn't want to do it in the counties
that favored them.' So it has come down to these other counties. As a
matter of fact Miami Dade is about 50/50. It's not an overwhelmingly
Democratic county. But it, it comes down for the Democrats to the
principle of should every vote count? Republicans are saying, 'We've
counted every vote!'"
4
Hillary
hype and hugs. ABC's Good Morning America and NBC's Today gave Hillary
Clinton significant air time Tuesday morning for interviews live from the
White House tied to the release of a new book, carrying her name as the
author, about White House parties.
Neither ABC's Robin Roberts or NBC's Katie
Couric posed a single tough question to the Senator-elect.
Roberts wondered "What was the moment
like...when you knew you had won?" and whether Bill Clinton would
attend Senate spouse meetings.
Couric wanted to know "What are you most
looking forward to?" in the Senate, "obviously getting to work.
But when you think of the array of possibilities before you." She
raised Trent Lott's comment that Hillary "will be one of a hundred
and we won't let her forget it." Couric empathized: "Didn't
sound as if he was putting out the welcome mat for you did he?"
Another of her empathetic offerings: "You
obviously enjoyed the domestic aspects of your role as First Lady but
wasn't it hard to balance being an activist First Lady and the
responsibilities of a more traditional First Lady?"
Charles Gibson set up the November 28 GMA segment,
as transcribed by MRC analyst Jessica Anderson: "Well, as everyone
knows, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the first First Lady to win an elected
office, but there are human moments going on in her life right now. She's
packing her bags, leaving the White House, her home of eight years, to go
onto the Senate. She's written a book about all this with some marvelous
pictures -- I have it right here in my hand. It's called An Invitation to
the White House, and she is joined in the state dining room of the White
House this morning by our own Robin Roberts to talk about that and other
things."
Roberts gushed: "Good morning, Charlie, and
yes, it is a great book, as he was talking about. Mrs. Clinton, good
morning."
Amongst the questions posed by Roberts:
-- "What was
the moment like, Mrs. Clinton, when you knew you had won?"
-- "Well, there
was a report in the New York Post this morning that you might not be the
only family member working in New York. They are saying that your husband,
President Clinton, may become the next mayor of New York city."
-- "I
understand that as a new Senator, there's a spouse meeting coming up. Will
he be there?"
-- "As Charlie
was saying, you made history -- first First Lady to be elected to office
-- but that kind of got buried in other things that are going on with the
election. Do you agree with Vice President Gore in challenging this
election?"
-- "You have
said that one of the first things that you would do as Senator is to help
with a bill to abolish the Electoral College. Why is that such a priority
with you?"
-- "Well, a lot
of people love to come together here at the White House. What was the
first time that you actually saw the White House?"
-- "Well, lots
of heads of state have been in this very room, around this table. What's
your favorite dinner that you hosted in this room?"
-- "Well, you
-- please take us on a little bit of a tour. You really were very active
in this room, in particular, and what are you most proud of?"
Today dedicated nearly a half hour to Couric with
Hillary Clinton. Couric gushed: "We're going to talk lots about your
book. But first of all we have to say congratulations on your victory in
New York."
Amongst Couric's questions, as transcribed by MRC
analyst Geoffrey Dickens:
-- "What are you most looking forward to?
Obviously getting to work. But when you think of the array of
possibilities before you?"
-- "Do you
think your agenda will be different than your husbands or very similar to
or?"
-- "Let me ask
you, you talk about keeping on. So I have to ask your, your view about Al
Gore's current fight to, to contest the election in the state of Florida.
What do you think about that?"
-- "I just
spoke with Secretary, former Secretary of Defense and George W. Bush's
Vice Presidential running mate Dick Cheney in our first half hour. And he
insisted that the votes had been counted, counted and counted again,
recounted. And that this was essentially quite damaging to the country to
draw this thing out. Are you worried about the effect it might have on the
nation, not, sort of moving on with the next administration?"
-- "Should the
Electoral College be abolished in your view?"
-- "Let me ask
you, for your reaction to a statement Trent Lott made recently. Because it
was quite interesting. He said, 'I'll tell you one thing when this Hillary
gets to the Senate... she'll be one of a hundred and we won't let her
forget it.' Didn't sound as if he was putting out the welcome mat for you
did he?"
-- "Quickly to
a more practical matter and then we'll talk the book. Have, have you found
a place to live in Washington?"
-- "Let's walk
over because that's a good transition to this book. Is that what prompted
you Mrs. Clinton to write this book, An Invitation to the White House, At
Home with History, looking very much like the hostess with the mostest on
the cover?"
-- You did a lot of
work in this room. Because it hadn't been renovated since Jacquelyn
Kennedy Onassis, during the Kennedy administration. And because it gets so
much sunlight it needed a lot of work. So can you show me what sort of
things you did in here?"
-- "You
obviously enjoyed the domestic aspects of your role as First Lady but
wasn't it hard to balance being an activist First Lady and the
responsibilities of a more traditional First Lady?"
The trilogy is complete. The network stars loved
Hillary before she ran for the Senate, during her campaign and now after
she's won.
5
MSNBC
anchor Ashleigh Banfield analogized looking forward to seeing Gore talk on
a phone to awaiting a call asking for a date in high school and ABC's
George Stephanopoulos compared Gore to a General on horseback commanding
his troops.
Both quotes were featured in a Campaign 2000 Media
Reality Check "Quick Take" compiled this afternoon by the
MRC's Rich Noyes. To view the fax online as an Adobe Acrobat document,
go to:
http://archive.mrc.org/realitycheck/2000/pdf/qt1129.pdf
The text of the Media Reality Check Quick Take:
NETWORKS STUMPED: IS AL GORE MORE LIKE A MILITARY HERO OR TEEN CRUSH? MSNBC'S BANFIELD IS EXCITED BY ALL-DEMOCRAT
PHONE FEST
On Wednesday's Good Morning America, ABC's George Stephanopoulos
tempted his audience to picture Al Gore as a general on horseback leading
the charge. Really.
Stephanopoulos told Diane Sawyer: "You know, last week, the first
couple of weeks of election day, Al Gore stayed mostly in the command
center of the U.S. Naval Observatory....huddled behind his computer
console, e-mailing members of Congress, reporters, really directing his
legal fight from behind the scenes. But now the General's decided to go
out on horseback and really lead the charge himself."
It is unclear whether Stephonopoulos was trying to get viewers to
picture Gore as a latter day General Washington, or a General George
Custer.
Silly as it was, Stephanopoulos's image-making was no match for
MSNBC's Ashleigh Banfield. On Monday, awaiting a public conference call
between Gore, Joe Lieberman, Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle (sort of a
photo-op with no photos), Banfield cracked to correspondent Norah
O'Donnell: "The last time I was this excited about a two-minute
warning for a telephone call was when I was waiting for my prom date to
call and invite me to the prom - and I'm not going to tell you how
many years ago that was."
Teenage girls who get a thrill out of eavesdropping while middle-aged
Democrats repeat talking points to each other might want to think about a
post-prom career with MSNBC.
END Reprint of Media Reality Check Quick Take
To watch a RealPlayer clip of the Banfield boast, go
to:
http://archive.mrc.org/realitycheck/2000/20001129.asp -- Brent Baker
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